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		<title>By: Brad</title>
		<link>http://firearmsandfreedom.com/2008/10/29/update-on-the-cooper-firearms-story/#comment-789</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 05:22:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I believe that Mr. Cooper should have kept the company out of his donations and realized that what he was doing by donating to someone who has a very disturbing record as Obama does on 2nd ammendment issues would cast bad light on the company. It is no different than a celebrity saying they support someone as a private citizen...they know full well it will impact thier fans and if there intent was to do it as a private citizen, they&#039;d do it quietly and not make it a media event.
Anyone who does something that  they know or suspect will become public, and cause or potentially cause issue or bring bad press on them, should think twice before doing it.  In this case, it could and did impact the company. 
He had to know his actions would be viewed badly by sportsman and it is their voice, base on his action that brought this on. Anyone who blames anyone else needs to reassess their thoughts. Had Obama had a decent record on gun rights...not just his words...then the issue probably wouldn&#039;t be what it is. Sara Palin has a fine NRA record so the GOP ticket was far stronger on guns rights than the DEM. 
I applaud Cooper for asking him to step down and for him taking responsibility and stepping down rather than bring a fine company down for his actions.
Hopefully this will pass and the company can continue to make fine custom guns. It will take time and the media will continue to use this as a negitive on responsible gun owners, manufacturers and others as evidenced by people on this forum who&#039;ve blamed cooper, the NRA and others.
As for Obama, it&#039;s a done deal. I&#039;ll reserve my judgement of the man based on his actions over the next four years and vote again for the person I feel best fits my thoughts and feelings and will protect my rights as a citizen of the US, particularly my 2nd Ammendment rights.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe that Mr. Cooper should have kept the company out of his donations and realized that what he was doing by donating to someone who has a very disturbing record as Obama does on 2nd ammendment issues would cast bad light on the company. It is no different than a celebrity saying they support someone as a private citizen&#8230;they know full well it will impact thier fans and if there intent was to do it as a private citizen, they&#8217;d do it quietly and not make it a media event.<br />
Anyone who does something that  they know or suspect will become public, and cause or potentially cause issue or bring bad press on them, should think twice before doing it.  In this case, it could and did impact the company.<br />
He had to know his actions would be viewed badly by sportsman and it is their voice, base on his action that brought this on. Anyone who blames anyone else needs to reassess their thoughts. Had Obama had a decent record on gun rights&#8230;not just his words&#8230;then the issue probably wouldn&#8217;t be what it is. Sara Palin has a fine NRA record so the GOP ticket was far stronger on guns rights than the DEM.<br />
I applaud Cooper for asking him to step down and for him taking responsibility and stepping down rather than bring a fine company down for his actions.<br />
Hopefully this will pass and the company can continue to make fine custom guns. It will take time and the media will continue to use this as a negitive on responsible gun owners, manufacturers and others as evidenced by people on this forum who&#8217;ve blamed cooper, the NRA and others.<br />
As for Obama, it&#8217;s a done deal. I&#8217;ll reserve my judgement of the man based on his actions over the next four years and vote again for the person I feel best fits my thoughts and feelings and will protect my rights as a citizen of the US, particularly my 2nd Ammendment rights.</p>
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		<title>By: Ray</title>
		<link>http://firearmsandfreedom.com/2008/10/29/update-on-the-cooper-firearms-story/#comment-782</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 06:20:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You know, Greg, you&#039;re right.  It&#039;s not the objects (guns, bullets etc) that are the real problem, it&#039;s the access to them by anyone and everyone that creates the problems for those who are responsible gun owners and the public in general.  And I guess if there was an easy way to resolve how to keep everyone&#039;s Second Amendment rights intact while keeping the criminal element from having them someone would have implemented it already.   The Patriot Act restricts many of the individual rights we enjoyed prior to 9/11 in the name of the greater good.  Maybe we need a similar mindset on weapons.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know, Greg, you&#8217;re right.  It&#8217;s not the objects (guns, bullets etc) that are the real problem, it&#8217;s the access to them by anyone and everyone that creates the problems for those who are responsible gun owners and the public in general.  And I guess if there was an easy way to resolve how to keep everyone&#8217;s Second Amendment rights intact while keeping the criminal element from having them someone would have implemented it already.   The Patriot Act restricts many of the individual rights we enjoyed prior to 9/11 in the name of the greater good.  Maybe we need a similar mindset on weapons.</p>
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		<title>By: Ray</title>
		<link>http://firearmsandfreedom.com/2008/10/29/update-on-the-cooper-firearms-story/#comment-781</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ray]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 02:53:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You know, Greg, you&#039;re right.  It&#039;s not the objects (guns, bullets etc) that are the real problem, it&#039;s the access to them by anyone and everyone that creates the problems for those who are responsible gun owners and the public in general.  And I guess if there was an easy way to resolve how to keep everyone&#039;s Second Amendment rights intact while keeping the criminal element from having them someone would have implemented it already.  Denying everyone their rights is wrong, but so is allowing any gangbanger to have one.  No easy answers.   The Patriot Act restricts many of the individual rights we enjoyed prior to 9/11 in the name of the greater good.  Maybe we need a similar mindset on weapons.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know, Greg, you&#8217;re right.  It&#8217;s not the objects (guns, bullets etc) that are the real problem, it&#8217;s the access to them by anyone and everyone that creates the problems for those who are responsible gun owners and the public in general.  And I guess if there was an easy way to resolve how to keep everyone&#8217;s Second Amendment rights intact while keeping the criminal element from having them someone would have implemented it already.  Denying everyone their rights is wrong, but so is allowing any gangbanger to have one.  No easy answers.   The Patriot Act restricts many of the individual rights we enjoyed prior to 9/11 in the name of the greater good.  Maybe we need a similar mindset on weapons.</p>
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		<title>By: Gregory Morris</title>
		<link>http://firearmsandfreedom.com/2008/10/29/update-on-the-cooper-firearms-story/#comment-779</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gregory Morris]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Nov 2008 20:03:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ray, I didn&#039;t really intend to go on such a tangent, but while we&#039;re out there, let&#039;s discuss exploding ammunition.  Frangible bullets are also used for &quot;safety rounds&quot; (see &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.iccammo.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;ICC Frangible&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a&gt;Glaser Safety Slug&lt;/a&gt; for some examples.)

Bullets that contain  actual explosive compounds are already highly restricted or illegal in many states.  So-called &quot;devastator&quot; exploding rounds are nothing more than novelty items... they are no more &quot;deadly&quot; than any other round.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ray, I didn&#8217;t really intend to go on such a tangent, but while we&#8217;re out there, let&#8217;s discuss exploding ammunition.  Frangible bullets are also used for &#8220;safety rounds&#8221; (see <a href="http://www.iccammo.com/" rel="nofollow">ICC Frangible</a> and <a>Glaser Safety Slug</a> for some examples.)</p>
<p>Bullets that contain  actual explosive compounds are already highly restricted or illegal in many states.  So-called &#8220;devastator&#8221; exploding rounds are nothing more than novelty items&#8230; they are no more &#8220;deadly&#8221; than any other round.</p>
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		<title>By: Ray</title>
		<link>http://firearmsandfreedom.com/2008/10/29/update-on-the-cooper-firearms-story/#comment-768</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ray]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Nov 2008 03:50:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Greg, I stand corrected...forgot I was talking to experts here!    To be more specific, I think exploding ammunition (frangible and devastator types) have no place in civilian hands.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Greg, I stand corrected&#8230;forgot I was talking to experts here!    To be more specific, I think exploding ammunition (frangible and devastator types) have no place in civilian hands.</p>
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		<title>By: Clark</title>
		<link>http://firearmsandfreedom.com/2008/10/29/update-on-the-cooper-firearms-story/#comment-765</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Clark]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Nov 2008 18:38:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Had Cooper not resigned, the value of the Copper company and the value of used Cooper firearms would have fallen dramatically.

As gun owners, we are like former slaves or former Nazi concentration camp victims.
We have been been abused so badly over the last 72 years by Democrats, that we must militantly oppose a firearms manufacturer that supports the enemy with profits from us.

The same thing would happen to Cooper if he ran a black night club and then gave money to the KKK.

No one would have a sense of humor and accept it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Had Cooper not resigned, the value of the Copper company and the value of used Cooper firearms would have fallen dramatically.</p>
<p>As gun owners, we are like former slaves or former Nazi concentration camp victims.<br />
We have been been abused so badly over the last 72 years by Democrats, that we must militantly oppose a firearms manufacturer that supports the enemy with profits from us.</p>
<p>The same thing would happen to Cooper if he ran a black night club and then gave money to the KKK.</p>
<p>No one would have a sense of humor and accept it.</p>
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		<title>By: Gregory Morris</title>
		<link>http://firearmsandfreedom.com/2008/10/29/update-on-the-cooper-firearms-story/#comment-759</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gregory Morris]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Nov 2008 03:50:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ray, I&#039;m not going to comment on everything you had to say, but I do feel like you should at least be properly informed about the topic of &quot;hollow point bullets.&quot;  I know it is a bit of a tangent, but you seem to base your argument about &quot;common sense&quot; gun control on a topic about which you simply do not have the facts.

Everything you probably think you know about these bullets is based on incorrect reporting, and anti-gun scare-tactics.  The fact of the matter is &quot;hollow points&quot;, which are more accurately referred to as &quot;controlled expansion rounds&quot;, are actually an attempt to make firearms both safer and more effective at the same time.  Why do you think police use them?  (The military as a general rule does not, due to conventions of warfare.)  

They were designed so that a smaller, lower power round would deliver the same &quot;stopping power&quot; as a full-power round.  When the bullet hits a surface, it expands.  This causes it to be more effective at neutralizing a threat, while at the same time lessening the chance of over-penetration and ricochet.  The point is to deliver the same performance as a round with higher power, with less of a chance of collateral damage and injury to innocents.   Hollow point bullets are not any more &quot;powerful&quot; than other rounds... in fact they are generally less capable of piercing body armor than their standard (FMJ) counterparts. 

It always bothers me when people are vocal about something such as gun control without doing at least the basic research.  I&#039;m not saying you don&#039;t have the right to support more stringent controls on weapons, but it would serve you best to get the facts first.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ray, I&#8217;m not going to comment on everything you had to say, but I do feel like you should at least be properly informed about the topic of &#8220;hollow point bullets.&#8221;  I know it is a bit of a tangent, but you seem to base your argument about &#8220;common sense&#8221; gun control on a topic about which you simply do not have the facts.</p>
<p>Everything you probably think you know about these bullets is based on incorrect reporting, and anti-gun scare-tactics.  The fact of the matter is &#8220;hollow points&#8221;, which are more accurately referred to as &#8220;controlled expansion rounds&#8221;, are actually an attempt to make firearms both safer and more effective at the same time.  Why do you think police use them?  (The military as a general rule does not, due to conventions of warfare.)  </p>
<p>They were designed so that a smaller, lower power round would deliver the same &#8220;stopping power&#8221; as a full-power round.  When the bullet hits a surface, it expands.  This causes it to be more effective at neutralizing a threat, while at the same time lessening the chance of over-penetration and ricochet.  The point is to deliver the same performance as a round with higher power, with less of a chance of collateral damage and injury to innocents.   Hollow point bullets are not any more &#8220;powerful&#8221; than other rounds&#8230; in fact they are generally less capable of piercing body armor than their standard (FMJ) counterparts. </p>
<p>It always bothers me when people are vocal about something such as gun control without doing at least the basic research.  I&#8217;m not saying you don&#8217;t have the right to support more stringent controls on weapons, but it would serve you best to get the facts first.</p>
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		<title>By: Ray</title>
		<link>http://firearmsandfreedom.com/2008/10/29/update-on-the-cooper-firearms-story/#comment-755</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ray]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Oct 2008 22:22:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The Second Amendment is not a problem as far as I&#039;m concerned.  It being stretched to the point it has been is my problem.  Protection of one&#039;s self and one&#039;s property is legit in my view, so is hunting although personally I wouldn&#039;t shoot a living thing for sport.  Skeet shooting, cool.  Target range, cool.  But unlicensed and unregistered guns,not cool. I live in the Chicago area and I can buy a gun off the street in under 30 minutes if I want, which is exactly what the gang bangers do.  There are probably more guns in this country than people and the gun lobby has fought regulation and licensing tooth and nail.  Hollow point bullets for non police and military, ridiculous.  See what I mean?

I also don&#039;t know why everyone is so worked up over government programs.  Social programs are not all welfare.  I have a good friend who&#039;s a vet, Viet Nam era, and he lost his job of 15 years and ran out of money looking for another.  Wound up living in his car.  The program that put him into a housing facility while he got his feet back under him is a government one.  He still makes next to nothing and gets his health care now at the VA hospital.  I have another friend who&#039;s legally blind and gets assistance in getting from place to place, gets meals on wheels, etc.  These are all social programs.  Six generation welfare is over because there isn&#039;t enough money any more.  Each state regulates welfare as it sees fit and most now revolve around children&#039;s services and job training.  Tricky subject.  But if, in each case, the government  - federal, state, or local - doesn&#039;t assist these people who will?  Are we all to &quot;adopt&quot; a needy person?

Well, we have strayed far from the subject of Mr. Cooper&#039;s loss of his company, which as a business owner myself I find repulsive.  Apparently gunowners can&#039;t agree to disagree with anyone.  That&#039;s pretty sad when you consider tolerance is a two way street.

Regards.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Second Amendment is not a problem as far as I&#8217;m concerned.  It being stretched to the point it has been is my problem.  Protection of one&#8217;s self and one&#8217;s property is legit in my view, so is hunting although personally I wouldn&#8217;t shoot a living thing for sport.  Skeet shooting, cool.  Target range, cool.  But unlicensed and unregistered guns,not cool. I live in the Chicago area and I can buy a gun off the street in under 30 minutes if I want, which is exactly what the gang bangers do.  There are probably more guns in this country than people and the gun lobby has fought regulation and licensing tooth and nail.  Hollow point bullets for non police and military, ridiculous.  See what I mean?</p>
<p>I also don&#8217;t know why everyone is so worked up over government programs.  Social programs are not all welfare.  I have a good friend who&#8217;s a vet, Viet Nam era, and he lost his job of 15 years and ran out of money looking for another.  Wound up living in his car.  The program that put him into a housing facility while he got his feet back under him is a government one.  He still makes next to nothing and gets his health care now at the VA hospital.  I have another friend who&#8217;s legally blind and gets assistance in getting from place to place, gets meals on wheels, etc.  These are all social programs.  Six generation welfare is over because there isn&#8217;t enough money any more.  Each state regulates welfare as it sees fit and most now revolve around children&#8217;s services and job training.  Tricky subject.  But if, in each case, the government  &#8211; federal, state, or local &#8211; doesn&#8217;t assist these people who will?  Are we all to &#8220;adopt&#8221; a needy person?</p>
<p>Well, we have strayed far from the subject of Mr. Cooper&#8217;s loss of his company, which as a business owner myself I find repulsive.  Apparently gunowners can&#8217;t agree to disagree with anyone.  That&#8217;s pretty sad when you consider tolerance is a two way street.</p>
<p>Regards.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Peter]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Oct 2008 20:55:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I agree that not all our financial woes are the direct result of the last 2 years of the Democrats in Congress. Some of it goes back to Carter and Clinton, and even Bill Clinton acknowledges that. And some of is rests with Republicans. 

I do have to ask, if this is the fault of &quot;decades of deregulation of business by the GOP,&quot; how have we managed to see the unprecedented growth of the last several decades? My point was that laying all of this on Bush is equally obtuse. As to the lack of regulation of the financial markets, Sen. McCain and others worked to fix that, and Sen. Obama and others blocked it. 

America has had socialist policies, but mainly starting in the early 20th century, not &quot;always.&quot; I oppose socialist programs no matter what party proposes them. Honestly, both candidates will probably expand socialist programs, but Sen Obama more so. 

As to the current financial crisis, there is blame to go around. Both parties, independents, financial institutions, and consumers all have their part in it. I am not trying to lay it all at the feet of the Democrats, But neither can it be laid entirely at the feet of Republicans. The other issue here is that a free, or semi-free, market will sometimes move down. This time, it didn&#039;t even move down until the last quarter, but all we have heard for years is that Bush is killing the economy.

As to GW being the face of modern Conservatism, you mistake Republicans and Conservatives. Bush may well be a Republican, but I do not consider him to be a true Conservative. 

Ray, 

Regarding the UZI, I can get into the whole debate regarding the true purpose of the Second Amendment, being able to overthrow a tyrannical government and all, but as to why you would want/need one? 

For protection: Probably not the best choice in most circumstances, but a viable one in others. 

For recreation. Maybe some don&#039;t get it, and that&#039;s fine, but I think an UZI would be a lot of fun to shoot. 

For history: The UZI, and other machine guns, have a lot of history, and some people enjoy collecting things like that.

I&#039;m sure that others have their reasons, but those are the ones I can think of. I know that there has been a lot of attention to the issue of late with the tragic death of a young person shooting one. It appears to be a case of negligence on the part of the instructor, and probably the father, which certainly saddens me, however, I think that the shooting sports community has done a very good job promoting safety so far, and this was an aberration. 

On the flip side, why does anyone need a pool? They have a higher rate of death or injury than firearms.

While helping those who are down in a Christian principle, spreading the wealth through government taking it is not. Such government programs have historically not helped a person out of poverty, and only keep them in that situation.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that not all our financial woes are the direct result of the last 2 years of the Democrats in Congress. Some of it goes back to Carter and Clinton, and even Bill Clinton acknowledges that. And some of is rests with Republicans. </p>
<p>I do have to ask, if this is the fault of &#8220;decades of deregulation of business by the GOP,&#8221; how have we managed to see the unprecedented growth of the last several decades? My point was that laying all of this on Bush is equally obtuse. As to the lack of regulation of the financial markets, Sen. McCain and others worked to fix that, and Sen. Obama and others blocked it. </p>
<p>America has had socialist policies, but mainly starting in the early 20th century, not &#8220;always.&#8221; I oppose socialist programs no matter what party proposes them. Honestly, both candidates will probably expand socialist programs, but Sen Obama more so. </p>
<p>As to the current financial crisis, there is blame to go around. Both parties, independents, financial institutions, and consumers all have their part in it. I am not trying to lay it all at the feet of the Democrats, But neither can it be laid entirely at the feet of Republicans. The other issue here is that a free, or semi-free, market will sometimes move down. This time, it didn&#8217;t even move down until the last quarter, but all we have heard for years is that Bush is killing the economy.</p>
<p>As to GW being the face of modern Conservatism, you mistake Republicans and Conservatives. Bush may well be a Republican, but I do not consider him to be a true Conservative. </p>
<p>Ray, </p>
<p>Regarding the UZI, I can get into the whole debate regarding the true purpose of the Second Amendment, being able to overthrow a tyrannical government and all, but as to why you would want/need one? </p>
<p>For protection: Probably not the best choice in most circumstances, but a viable one in others. </p>
<p>For recreation. Maybe some don&#8217;t get it, and that&#8217;s fine, but I think an UZI would be a lot of fun to shoot. </p>
<p>For history: The UZI, and other machine guns, have a lot of history, and some people enjoy collecting things like that.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure that others have their reasons, but those are the ones I can think of. I know that there has been a lot of attention to the issue of late with the tragic death of a young person shooting one. It appears to be a case of negligence on the part of the instructor, and probably the father, which certainly saddens me, however, I think that the shooting sports community has done a very good job promoting safety so far, and this was an aberration. </p>
<p>On the flip side, why does anyone need a pool? They have a higher rate of death or injury than firearms.</p>
<p>While helping those who are down in a Christian principle, spreading the wealth through government taking it is not. Such government programs have historically not helped a person out of poverty, and only keep them in that situation.</p>
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		<title>By: Ray</title>
		<link>http://firearmsandfreedom.com/2008/10/29/update-on-the-cooper-firearms-story/#comment-747</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ray]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Oct 2008 20:12:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[We should be able to agree that both sides are stretching the truth when discussing their opposition&#039;s positions.  Plenty of that on the Republican side as well as Democratic so that&#039;s a glass house no one should be tossing stones at.

Absolutely Democrats have always had a soft spot towards social programs which address the issues of those among us who have the least.  I don&#039;t define that as political socialism, maybe you do.  Seems like a Christian principle to me.  Income tax and government programs inherently &quot;spread the wealth&quot; so that&#039;s a weak argument.  I have a much bigger problem with Exxon making $14 billion and Wall Street golden parachutes than giving government cheese to poor people.  I&#039;m all for capitalism - I own my business.  But it&#039;s not right for Exxon to continue to receive tax breaks.  We taxpayers shouldn&#039;t be paying twice for Wall Street greed, once to their big paychecks and again in our de-valued investments.  I think it&#039;s beyond disgusting that it&#039;s come to that as the only way to save our economy.

Joe the Plumber is having his 15 minutes of fame, no question about it.

I respect your views, Peter.  You are obviously a reasoned individual and have thought about where you stand.  My objections were aimed towards the folks who post ridiculous, unsubstantiated garbage and wave the flag and their guns while doing it.  I can&#039;t respect an idiot, and in that respect their political party is irrelevant.

Eight years of George Bush and his policies have brought us to our knees.   Can&#039;t blame Democrats for that, they only recently have controlled the house and even then caved to Bush...the Senate is pretty much 50/50.  It&#039;s time for a change.  McCain has nothing new to offer.  I&#039;m ready for new ideas.  I&#039;m a registered independent and voted for Bush the first time aqround, not the second.  If I thought McCain&#039;s ideas were progressive and would put us in a better place I&#039;d vote for him.  

And I&#039;m still wondering why anyone needs an Uzi?!!!]]></description>
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<p>Absolutely Democrats have always had a soft spot towards social programs which address the issues of those among us who have the least.  I don&#8217;t define that as political socialism, maybe you do.  Seems like a Christian principle to me.  Income tax and government programs inherently &#8220;spread the wealth&#8221; so that&#8217;s a weak argument.  I have a much bigger problem with Exxon making $14 billion and Wall Street golden parachutes than giving government cheese to poor people.  I&#8217;m all for capitalism &#8211; I own my business.  But it&#8217;s not right for Exxon to continue to receive tax breaks.  We taxpayers shouldn&#8217;t be paying twice for Wall Street greed, once to their big paychecks and again in our de-valued investments.  I think it&#8217;s beyond disgusting that it&#8217;s come to that as the only way to save our economy.</p>
<p>Joe the Plumber is having his 15 minutes of fame, no question about it.</p>
<p>I respect your views, Peter.  You are obviously a reasoned individual and have thought about where you stand.  My objections were aimed towards the folks who post ridiculous, unsubstantiated garbage and wave the flag and their guns while doing it.  I can&#8217;t respect an idiot, and in that respect their political party is irrelevant.</p>
<p>Eight years of George Bush and his policies have brought us to our knees.   Can&#8217;t blame Democrats for that, they only recently have controlled the house and even then caved to Bush&#8230;the Senate is pretty much 50/50.  It&#8217;s time for a change.  McCain has nothing new to offer.  I&#8217;m ready for new ideas.  I&#8217;m a registered independent and voted for Bush the first time aqround, not the second.  If I thought McCain&#8217;s ideas were progressive and would put us in a better place I&#8217;d vote for him.  </p>
<p>And I&#8217;m still wondering why anyone needs an Uzi?!!!</p>
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